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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 19, 2009 12:45:31 GMT -5
BIG news! This is what we've been waiting for. Michael's FBI file will finally be released on Monday... all the backroom info on the trials, all the threats against his life, all the terrible extortion attempts finally out in the open. Finally everyone, including the media, will see just what he went through! www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/michael-jackson-fbi-file-released/1#commentsIf you scroll down the page to the comments, you'll notice I posted the very first comment! And I always include the forum link I will post the link to his file as soon as TMZ has it!
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 21, 2009 14:01:37 GMT -5
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Post by mirror4change on Dec 22, 2009 10:49:00 GMT -5
Personally, I wonder if this is just another of TMZ's quest for publicity at another individuals and family and friends' expense. I totally understand the desire to 'peak' into other's lives- but this is seriously all people like the TMZ do- they make money off of this type of behavior. And as for the FBI releasing the files- TMZ probably filed a request under the freedom of info act to get this info. Lawyer and money is all its about.
I know Mike doesn't really care in his current state. But we all know in the physical he would be mortified and I have to wonder how much are we honoring his spirit by doing something that we know he would not have liked?
This is the basic problem when we obsess over one whether they have passed to another dimension or are here in this place. It comes down to honoring them and the spirit they always will be. For Mike, we do this by growing ourselves so that we can continue to spread his message and continuing his mission. We continue this by as I said- growing our spirit. Its all about the energy and the love. We have to learn to love ourselves so we can pass that love to others. You can't truly pass on that which you don't truly feel or understand.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 22, 2009 11:12:26 GMT -5
I know Mike doesn't really care in his current state. But we all know in the physical he would be mortified and I have to wonder how much are we honoring his spirit by doing something that we know he would not have liked? I understand where you're coming from, Mirror. The truth will get out eventually, whether we like it or not. Michael's spirit knew all along it would come out. I personally don't need to know all the details, but a lot of people do. They are yearning for any news about Michael, needing to finally know everything so that they can put an end to the speculation, the madness, and get some closure. I understand their point of view too. Because this forum is all about providing the truth, that's why I want it posted for all to see. Keep the faith!
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Post by GiveInToMe on Dec 22, 2009 11:23:05 GMT -5
It comes down to honoring them and the spirit they always will be. For Mike, we do this by growing ourselves so that we can continue to spread his message and continuing his mission. We continue this by as I said- growing our spirit. Its all about the energy and the love. We have to learn to love ourselves so we can pass that love to others. You can't truly pass on that which you don't truly feel or understand. Well said Mirror.....let's not allow his death to be in vain. There is a reason for it. Lots of people are awakening all over the globe. Let's use that love to transform our World. Let's focus on the LOVE, first by growing ourselves (which can be a never ending process), and to make a change. That's the best way to honored him.....and that's the reason he is not here anymore .... I perfectly understand the curiosity and the need to know as much as we can about him....I've been there...I would love to KNOW him personally, or know things about him as the human being he was, with virtues and defects, and love him for what he is. But concerning the scandals and trials he went through, I know what I need to know....he was innocent and he was the victim. One of the reasons I stop watching TV long time ago is because of so much garbage and manipulation, in general. I'm curious by nature....and I finally end up reading that page (first time I go there) and I read something else that got nothing to do with the FBI files....I didn't know if I should feel offended, or laugh till I drop or cry with what I read. Probably the most absurd thing I have read about him so far.....I ended lmao!, and making jokes about it. Personally, it hurts me to keep reading about those things. I prefer to read his books, his words, listen to his music...........and the beautiful tributes of all kind, art work, writings, poems, songs..... Let's make that change!
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 22, 2009 12:51:45 GMT -5
I agree, Eva!
TMZ is starting to post about the death threats against Michael. Since they're not relevant, it's not necessary to post them here. But if there's anything that will confirm Michael's good character or confirm what we already know about the trials, it will be posted.
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Post by Norma on Dec 22, 2009 19:49:44 GMT -5
I just don't know what to say about this... I just don't understand why they would drag Mike in on this one... I wished they would just leave him alone... He is not here to defend himself and to bring all this up again is just unbelievable... Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh... One thing that I do understand is the death threats on Mike... He kept saying someone was after him... music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=448511>1=28102Terrorist attack feared after 2003 Jackson arrest Dec. 22, 2009, 1:35 PM EST NEW YORK (AP) -- Police concerns about a terrorist attack stemming from the 2003 arrest of Michael Jackson led to a request for federal help, according to FBI files kept on the late pop star. The Santa Maria Police Department in California asked for FBI "involvement" after Jackson was arrested for child molestation. Police, according to the FBI, said they believed the court case would be a "soft target" for terrorism because of "worldwide media coverage." The FBI concluded there were no threats, but did note the presence in an early court appearance of "The Nation of Islam, represented by its security unit Fruits of Islam," and of a "New Black Panther Party" member whose name was left blank in the files. The documents, more than 300 pages and dating from 1992 to 2005, were released Tuesday through a Freedom of Information Act request from The Associated Press and other media. The documents include death threats against Jackson by a man who also cited then-President George H.W. Bush and mob boss John Gotti as possible targets. A letter obtained by the FBI, dated July 6, 1992, states: "I decided that because nobody is taking me serious, and I can't handle my state of mind, that I am going to Washington D.C. to threaten to kill the President of the United States, George Bush." The letter also says, "Michael (Jackson) I will personally attempt to kill, if he doesn't pay me my money." One of the documents, written by the L.A. City Attorney's office, indicated on June 22, 1992, the author of the letter "arrives in Calif." and "Threatens to kill." The FBI said the person who wrote the letter was charged with extortion, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to prison in 1993. The files also show that the FBI's legal office in London assisted local authorities with a child molestation probe in 1993 and in 1995, U.S. customs officials asked the FBI to analyze a VHS videotape as part of a child pornography investigation.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 23, 2009 0:22:44 GMT -5
Norma, there was no point in posting this article. For one thing, there will always be crazies out there threatening celebrities, and Michael was no different. Thank God the nut was thrown in prison.
Secondly, the FBI was called in to help the LAPD and the Santa Barbara DA (of course) with the investigation. It's surprising to find the lengths that the FBI were willing to go through to dig up dirt on Michael, even travelling to the Philippines, the UK, Canada and all over the US. But they found NOTHING! Not ONE piece of solid evidence against him, probably having spent a million trying their best, and still not ONE thing! Their case was flimsy to say the least. That is our point.
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Post by swimmer23 on Dec 23, 2009 12:34:51 GMT -5
hello everyone, I found the link to the FBI files that relate to Michael Jackson. Here is the link: foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/jackson_michael.htmthis page contain a list of links that connect you to the files. Now there is one file that is dedicated to that Terry George interview about the inappropriate phone call he had with MJ. Whats really suspicious to me about that file is there is nothing in the file that says a recording of the phone call took place and that the recording was being investigated by police. Its just a bunch of tabloid articles. Hmmm, it sure seems that they were really trying to dig deep to find anything criminal against MJ.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 23, 2009 12:38:53 GMT -5
You are so right, swimmer! Enough of the crap already, right? A warm welcome to our forum, and thanks for your post!
Mal
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Post by Norma on Dec 27, 2009 15:07:09 GMT -5
I read the files and there was NOTHING there...I just don't know why they would bring this all up again...Guess just trying to knock him down again...But ain't gonna happen... ;D I do hope that the haters out there did read these and will finally shut up...www.afro.com/tabId/551/itemId/5719/FBI-Releases-Jackson-Files.aspxFBI Releases Jackson Files Last Updated Dec 2009 Michael Jackson was reportedly unaware that the FBI was keeping tabs on him. (December 26, 2009) - A file the FBI kept on Michael Jackson beginning in 1993 did not shed any new light on the late singer's life when it was released publicly on December 22. According to an FBI statement, the agency released only 333 pages of the total 673 it kept on Jackson. The statement indicated the other pages were deleted to protect agency surveillance tactics and the identities of witnesses. The heavily redacted remaining pages leave little to be read, and contained sketchy interview reports, some letters written by others that reference Jackson, and photocopies of photos and copies of magazine and tabloid covers and articles. Also included are documents collected in the investigation and subsequent arrest in 1993 of a man who’d been stalking Jackson’s sister Janet, and who leveled death threats at Jackson if he failed to pay money the stalker claimed the late singer owed him. The records the FBI collected do not appear to lend credibility to the claims of molestation charges that still hang over the deceased icon’s head. The FBI notes evaluating the contents of the computers removed from Jackson's home in 2004 each say “Nothing,” indicating nothing of an evidentiary nature was found. Jackson, revered as the King of Pop, was acquitted of abusing any children. “In all these pages, hundreds of pages, many, many hours of investigations ... there’s not one scrap of evidence that Michael Jackson ever ... did anything wrong, committed any crime,” Jackson family attorney Brian Oxman told ABC News. “It’s almost a vindication, when you look at this. The FBI looked at all of these matters and said, ‘There’s nothing here.’” The FBI reports are available for the public to review at www.fbi.gov/page2/dec09/jackson_122209.html.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 28, 2009 5:39:09 GMT -5
Right on! It helps to know the FBI confirmed what we already know, that Michael committed NO crime against children. It really is vindication, especially to the 34% of the population who still wrongly believe he was guilty. I hope they read the FBI files to finally learn the truth.
Justice for Michael!
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Dec 31, 2009 14:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by Norma on Jan 4, 2010 17:20:05 GMT -5
This is just CRAZY... Man, Sneddon was really out to get Mike... All I can say is WTFlip... I just don't get what Mike could of done to this guy to let him find anything and everything to go after him with... I bet it still just gets his goat that he couldn't get Mike on anything...
Saturday, 2 January 2010 FBI File Reveals Attempt to Convict Jackson with r@#%$ Law
Documents contained in Michael Jackson's FBI file show that the LAPD tried to prosecute the star under the same legislation used in the past to smear black luminaries such as Jack Johnson and Chuck Berry.
Records show that the LAPD contacted the FBI on 7th September 1993 to ask whether the bureau would assist in the prosecution of Michael Jackson under the Mann Act.
The Mann Act, also known as the 'White Slavery Act', was introduced in 1910. Allowing officers to make arrests on the vague premise of 'immoral behaviour', the law was frequently used to smear black men, particularly those who consorted with white women.
Jack Johnson, the world's first black Heavyweight Boxing Champion, was the first person to be prosecuted under the act. In fact, Geoffrey C Ward writes in his book 'Unforgivable Blackness' that the potential to smear Johnson had been one of the primary motivating factors behind the introduction of the law.
Johnson was viewed by the press and the establishment as a black man who didn't know his place. Not only was Johnson a black world champion more than 50 years before segregation was lifted, but he flaunted his success in a society which demanded that he be humble. He wore expensive clothes and jewellery and invested his money in a fleet of luxurious automobiles, a hobby for which he was repeatedly punished by white policemen who issued him with undeserved speeding tickets.
But what riled the establishment more than anything was that Johnson consorted with white women. Johnson was often accompanied on his travels by prostitutes, but so were the majority of his white contemporaries.
In 1913 Johnson was prosecuted under the Mann Act for 'transporting a female across the state line for immoral purposes'. None of his white contemporaries who also travelled with prostitutes were arrested or charged with similar crimes.
Johnson's alleged victims had travelled with him willingly and admitted it under oath. Moreover, the trips in question had taken place long before the Mann Act was even introduced. However, an all white jury convicted him regardless.
Years later the Mann Act was also used to sabotage the career of black musician Chuck Berry.
In 1959 Berry met a 14 year old waitress in El Paso and asked her to work as a hat-check girl in his restaurant. The girl agreed and he drove her from El Paso to St Louis on his way back from a concert.
On this flimsy premise Berry was arrested for 'transporting an underage girl for immoral purposes'. He was convicted under the Mann Act and sentenced to three years in prison.
In the same year Berry's white copycat Elvis Presley began openly dating Priscilla Beaulieu, a 14 year old girl. Furthermore, Scotty Moore's biography of Presley asserts that prior to his involvement with Beaulieu, the star had been dating an even younger girl.
Ergo, in 1913 the Mann Act was used to convict a black boxer whose only 'crime' was to indulge in the same behaviour as his white conemporaries. Later, In 1959, the Mann Act was used to prosecute a black musician for giving a job to an underage girl, while his white contemporary repeatedly slept with underage girls and went unpunished.
The Mann Act is an inherently r@#%$ law. Whilst it has not been used solely to prosecute African-Americans, the potential imprisonment of Jack Johnson was a primary motivating factor behind its introduction and since then it has been repeatedly used to convict black men of crimes that they didn't commit.
That Jackson was also targeted under the Mann Act is certainly intriguing and only strengthens the argument that he was targeted by a malicious prosecution on account of his race. In a way, it shows that little has changed since the days of Jack Johnson. The United States Attorney's decision not to prosecute Jackson under the Mann Act could be seen as a sign of progress, but the LAPD's decision to pursue Jackson in the first place - given the sheer abundance of evidence suggesting his innocence - remains disturbing.
That Jackson wasn't railroaded once he entered the courtroom is another indicator of progress. Of course, that the 2003 allegations against Jackson even made it into a courtroom was proof in itself that Jackson was given a bum rap - the allegations were nonsensical and his accusers were proven con artists - but while Johnson was found guilty of crimes that he patently did not commit, Jackson's jury at least made the right decision.
In Jackson's case it was only the media which tarred him as guilty.
http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.c...to-convict.html
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