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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 18, 2010 10:53:05 GMT -5
What a shocker! Lisa Marie will be interviewed on Oprah this Thursday, October 21st to talk about Michael's death and their marriage! (Be sure to read the comments too.) I don't trust Oprah for one minute, so I'm wondering why she would even bother to talk to Lisa Marie, if she wasn't planning on bashing Michael once again! Please note that Oprah will air not one, but TWO, shows on child molestation THIS WEEK! What message is Oprah trying to convey to the public? I'm afraid we already know www.oprah.com/community/thread/146094Can it be that Lisa Marie will finally tell the truth? That the reason their marriage broke down is because she refused to have children? Or will she lie once again, putting her "spin" on their marriage? Enquiring minds want to know! MUST WATCH TV!
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Post by divastyle on Oct 18, 2010 19:25:29 GMT -5
OMG are you serious MAL??!! This is terrible, I have really had it with Oprah! I know Michael wants us to be forgiving and spread L-O-V-E but she is REALLY testing my limits and why have LMP on there to talk more trash about him, this is all about RATINGS!!!!
I've had a beef w/ Oprah every since she had New Edition on her show some years back and she acted like Bobby Brown was the only 1 there & then she didn't even give Michael a chance to tell his side of the story, just assumed him guilty!!
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Post by mjsiris on Oct 19, 2010 17:12:58 GMT -5
We do have Oprah on tv here in Iceland but I´ve never really watched. Of course i've seen her interview with Michael and that horror with Lisa Marie a few years ago. The episodes always air here a few weeks or months after they air in America so this one will not be on here for a while. I am however interested AND worried about what Lisa is going to say this time so I was wondering if anyone on this site could maybe give us who do not live in a America a short recap of what will be said after the show is aired in America or at least point us in the right direction where we could find out? Thank you
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 20, 2010 6:33:33 GMT -5
Yes of course, mjsiris. We will fill you in, and if we can find it on YT, we will post the video. I've already seen promotional clips of Oprah asking questions, and it doesn't look good Mal
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 20, 2010 15:10:41 GMT -5
My good friend Jesse has made a video on his own thoughts about Oprah and he feels the same way we do! Please watch and comment. And THANK YOU Jesse for speaking out! Looking forward to your next video after the LMP show airs on Thursday.
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Post by smile2010 on Oct 20, 2010 15:27:29 GMT -5
Thanks Mary Ann and Jesse...... Great video :-) MMmm I' really hope Oprah's show will be positive! Susanxx
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Post by mjsiris on Oct 20, 2010 17:11:57 GMT -5
Thanks Mary Ann, I appreciate it. Great video from your friend too!
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Post by judith51 on Oct 21, 2010 17:20:38 GMT -5
The interview with Lisa Marie was interesting. However, it was just a replay of everthing said before about their relationship. Sadly, people begin to realize what they should have done after the fact.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 21, 2010 19:01:26 GMT -5
OMG I love LMP! She totally surprised me AND Oprah, because she finally told the TRUTH! I can't believe it, but she told the TRUTH about everything! She admitted she loved him so much and it was the happiest she's ever been! She admitted that she made mistakes! She admitted she was stubborn, that they would fight for days and would play mind games with each other, like going away for 2 weeks just to get away. She admitted the reason he turned against her was she didn't want kids! She admitted divorcing him was a big mistake because she thought he would fight her on it. She admitted that she was so very angry after the divorce and lashed out at him, on the defensive in interviews! She admitted chasing after him for FOUR years after the divorce! She practically admitted she was jealous of Debbie when she first got pregnant... she called it Michael's retaliatory move. I'm so proud of her now... she's finally grown up!
I was studying both of them closely, and I noticed she surprised Oprah quite a few times. There was one point when Oprah tried to lead the conversation to Michael taking drugs, and Lisa quickly changed the subject! LOL When Lisa was talking about Michael sometimes not looking himself in the Bashir documentary, I totally agree.
Lisa explained Michael's magnetism, and I was so surprised when Oprah admitted to her audience that she felt his amazing presence too at the 1992 interview, and wanted so much to be his friend! Maybe it could be that Oprah secretly resented him because she was never welcomed into his inner circle? Then of course, Oprah asked again if he was guilty, and Lisa Marie once again said she never saw any sign of it! THANK YOU LISA!
You know the best part of all this? She explained a strange and extreme sadness came over her on June 25th, 2009. She cried all day for no reason, and then got the terrible news late that nite in London. You know what this means? I believe Michael's spirit came to her. She is one of us! Too bad she doesn't know it, but she was touched by Michael too! She's been going through hell since he passed, just like the rest of us! She understands so much more now... she admitted that he did NOT use her, even though in her marriage she felt manipulated. She knows now he really did love her, and she has so many regrets that will probably weigh heavily on her heart for years to come! I found this part really telling... that she's still not over him and even talks about Michael to her current husband, who has to have the patience of a saint!
As you can see, I'm just thrilled that LMP finally told the public the truth. I see this interview as a big step towards a change in the public's perception of Michael. They got to learn even more about him, why he was the way he was, and that he really did have a different life, one that no one could ever relate to, except of course Elvis's daughter!
Please let us know what you thought too.
Mal
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Post by smile2010 on Oct 21, 2010 19:39:07 GMT -5
Oh that's wonderful.. thanks for telling us Mary Ann. I can't wait to watch it on 'You Tube"?
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Post by hofyhelga on Oct 21, 2010 19:40:08 GMT -5
Oh my, now I can't wait to see the show! too bad we have to wait for it here in Iceland, and I have no idea how far behind we really are
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 21, 2010 20:16:56 GMT -5
WOW that was posted fast! Thanks to the magic of YouTube, here is ONLY the first part of the full interview (3 parts). It's the best we can do for now until the rest is posted... sorry! www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE8zsbpxJ-AYou will get the feeling from this part that she's finally willing to come clean about everything. Enjoy! And please comment.
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Post by Alicia on Oct 21, 2010 20:17:57 GMT -5
Hi Mal, I love your post about the LMP interview today. I was very pleasantly surprised myself. I thought she seemed honest and it just made a lot of pieces fall into place for me. I love Michael and I thought she expressed how amazing he was. I don't think he was perfect, b/c no human is perfect, and he had always been under a lot of pressure since childhood. But even with all the pressure he managed to be such a loving, generous, and caring person and an amazing and one of a kind artist, which is why I listen to his music just about every day, and have reread Moonwalk and other books and articles about him, and like to watch his and the fan-made videos. His artistry never seems to get old to me.
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Post by roonknit on Oct 21, 2010 22:01:08 GMT -5
I was surprised at how well Lisa Marie explained some very difficult situations. I realize this was a planned interview but I thought she chose the right words to really get her point across. Some things were made so much clearer, I could imagine people nodding their heads in agreement. It was terribly sad to hear how things ended between them. I hope she felt a weight was lifted, she didn't have to do this interview but she did, she doesn't owe the public anything more in my opinion.
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Post by Norma on Oct 21, 2010 22:15:19 GMT -5
Here is the full show... Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
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Post by smile2010 on Oct 22, 2010 1:08:20 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with everyone else. I guess it has always been very hard for her to explain properly her relationship with MJ and what she went through etc. She spoke well. I do feel quite sad it ended so bad for her all those years ago.
I'm pleased she now has clarity and understands Michael now :-)
Susanxxxxxxx
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 22, 2010 8:18:51 GMT -5
Norma, thanks for posting the whole interview... I knew you would be on top of this. Our members around the world thank you too I'm happily moving this thread under The Truth! I agree with all of you. Lisa Marie chose her words really well. I'm so happy she made sure the public understood Michael's point of view as well, that the way he grew up in the public eye, and that he could create his world in a bubble influenced everything he did. I truly believe she agreed to this interview not only for the fans, but for Michael, to finally make her peace with him. I just watched Showbiz Tonight and am thrilled! Not ONE mention of the child molestation allegations! Do you think the media is finally willing to move past all that nonsense? The worst thing they could say is that it looks like LMP's marriage was not a sham after all! If that is the worst thing, then we may be looking at a NEW DAY! Mal
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Post by judith51 on Oct 22, 2010 12:25:36 GMT -5
Lisa Marie is to be commended for making an attempt at rescuing Michael. I had no idea she was jealous of Rowe. She certainly has gained an adult perspective that only comes with maturity. Judith
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Post by judith51 on Oct 22, 2010 12:26:37 GMT -5
Just for the record I can't stand Oprah. If anyone cares!
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Post by froggy811829 on Oct 23, 2010 20:11:02 GMT -5
I started weeping fairly early into the interview. So much emotion came gushing forth. Just to hear LMP speak of him so intimately, it was like she was channeling his presence right there. I could feel him there, supporting her and I was so struck because I got that she didn't get him either until he passed over - then she was struck by the lightening bolt and here we are. I find it quite amazing because Michael has catapulted Lisa (obviously) and all of us into whole new layers of spiritual understanding . . . like all the pieces of the rubrics cube that were spinning around during his life, parts would fit, you’d understand a bit here and a bit there, then the pieces would fall apart with the next moves and you keep working at it until the moment they pass away and then suddenly the rubrics cube falls neatly into perfect place. That BLOWS ME AWAY. You get it/them big time. And you are left here to process and make whole . . . I have sooooo much compassion for LMP. I get her in such a big way now. I found myself loving her like a sister. One who's been 'there' and has come back to talk about it - at least just this once. Now I feel like she is Another Part of Me too. Now interestingly, LMP has many earthly memories and experiences with Michael to process but it didn't bother me at all. In the strangest of ways I feel like the relationship I have with him now is AS VALID. It bothers me not that it is a relationship with someone on the other side of the veil. Maybe it's better that way. I don't have to deal with all that she and Michael had to deal with on this earthly plane. What I have with Michael has a purity about it and he is continuing to teach me spiritual things. I remembered last year I expressed such a deep desire for just this thing to happen - to make it thru the veils and have this relationship with Michael and I feel like my prayer has been and is coming true. I don't understand any of it but I am grateful for all of it. When Oprah talked about how the light just came thru Michael during her interview with him in 1993 all I could think of was that he really was an angel. That light that he shone forth speaks volumes to me. And how knowing Michael was the "highest" point in LMPs life . . . I totally get that because in my own small way I have been touched by him too and I was high, no doubt about it and it is intoxicating as LMP stated. I believe we're here on Earth for a reason and for LMP to touch Michael's essence like that and be intoxicated and possibly seduced and addicted to it. All I can say is one must be so grounded and have done so much of their own spiritual work to be able to withstand being around that level of light/love without the circuits blowing. So I can see how their stuff would come up, it had to . . . in all that God essence/power . . . because it purifies one's soul and if the time isn't right and the spiritual maturity and understanding isn’t there, then it isn't right and the relationship can't sustain. I think LMP was extremely mature to see that, be touched by that and able to walk away from that all at the same time. Yes, it ended because she decided vs. children but I also believe it ended for additional reasons as well.
I think Michael had so many issues to deal with and drugs was one of them; being a God in your own world, living in an Ivory Tower that is so different from everyday grounded life and having people around you to agree with you or dispense with if you didn't like what they tell you (like Deepak Chopra) plus channeling that enormous gift of creativity and godliness. Having that side by side in your life - the connection to God/spirit and the ease of channeling that and the other stuff .. . I don't know how he did that - meaning having those really different aspects and still function at the level of mastery that he did. The more I learn about him the more my respect and estimation of his character and value go up because, once again, I feel like he could have come here to live this kind of life for us to show us the mirror. That he sacrificed a very high station in God's hierarchy, to come 'down here' to instruct and lead and show by example and reflect by example . . . It's like LMPs interview cracked the lid and this blinding ray of light flashed out, quickening my soul once again. I hope this response makes sense . . . lol:)
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Post by Norma on Oct 24, 2010 13:19:24 GMT -5
I know this may sound really silly but I have to say it lol... While I was watching the video of the interview... I kept looking over LM shoulder outside the window... If you look at the above video's that I posted (part 1) you can see it in the still caption... It looks like an eye... ummmm do you think it might be Mike watching and listening lol... can you see it lol... I know its just a rock and some plants but I keep seeing it as an eye lol...
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Post by Norma on Oct 24, 2010 13:30:42 GMT -5
My friend Becky made this video just before the interview and when I watched it that day I didn't get... until now... So fitting now... I hope LM finds some kind of PEACE ... She is a human being and has feelings I do believe that they loved each other as much as they could of... They both were so young and both stubborn... We all have been there in our life time... We don't know either of them... We just wished we did... they both had their demons they are only HUMAN... Mike will always be an ANGEL in my eyes... Nothing can make me feel any different... I didn't like what LM did to him in the past but that is the past and we grow and learn... I am just glad that she tryed to come out and change the damage that she did in the past... Just wished it wasn't to Oprah... ughhh that woman makes my skin crawl... did you see that she is going to have Jackie Jackson on the 21st of Nov... She is not going to let her show end without using Mike's name ever step of the way... Guess that is the only way the ***** can get ratings... The things that I found out in the interview is that LM left her husband for Mike... I didn't know that...I thought they were already getting divorced before she met Mike... wow big WOW... I knew that she had this addiction for him but I guess I didn't know how strong it really was... CAN YA BLAME THE GIRL...NO lol...And the part where he called her NEEDING HER... and she couldn't help him... I think if she would of only really known how bad he needed her she would of woke up and been there for him...I can't see her being that heartless... but with him crying just broke my heart... When she said " She couldn't Leave Him" tore me up too... sooo very sad... I get that... it is hard to leave when things are not resolved...painful... enough said please enjoy the video
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Post by mjsiris on Oct 24, 2010 18:17:16 GMT -5
I´ve watched the interwiew twice now. The first time I was really prepared for the worst but I was just blown away by how open and honest LMP was. So I watched it again just to make sure that it was really that good. And yes I think it is. Some new information that I ,at least,. had not heard before. And other stories that it seemed like we were finally hearing the truth about. I´ve also been thinking about Lisa´s first interview with Oprah and how I find it much easier to forgive her for that now. Apparently she was just at a stage where she was feeling very bitter about the whole thing. I´ve also been in that position, Who hasn´t thought or said something bad about an ex after a relationship ended. If I speak for myself, I guess I can thank God that I never had a chance to say those things on Oprah! Iris
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Post by ceceq811 on Oct 24, 2010 20:25:19 GMT -5
Well now, I appreciate Lisa Marie coming forward and telling more of the truth and also admitting to the part she played in the end of their marriage. I believe that Lisa came after him, firstly because she was enraptured by his magnitism like we all are. I believe that it did grow into real love, admiration and respect. However, as time went on and the love fog began to dissipate, they were left with each others' good, bad and ugly. I believe that MJ was clear and adamant about marrying her not just because he did love her but because he wanted to start a family. I believe that she led hiim to believe that this would be their main objsective and first priority in their union. After the marriage it seems that she renigged on this promise. I think she may have wrongly thought, like many woman do, that "she could change him or change his mind." MJ was so serious about this and when she switched up he called her bluff and admitted that he had other options, (Debbie Rowe). I believe that LMP would never have had his child because her Mom forbid her to have a Black child as Elvis Presleys grandbaby. If this would have happened Elvis would have probably come back from is grave and farted over the entire household displacing everyone and everything within !
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Post by judith51 on Oct 25, 2010 20:11:24 GMT -5
I thought of the same thing about the baby and race issues. However, I think she probably saw the situation as unstable for obviuos reasons. Its a good thing she has some coomon sense as this usually comes laong with maturity. Poor Lisa how hard it must have been to watch her husband on a downward spiral. As far as telling the truth? Who really knows what the truth is in their relationship. I would never tell the MEDIA THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEY DISTORT IT ANYWAY. Sorry about the caps guys!Celebs are entitled to their privacy even though they choose to give it up. There are many things we will never know and are not priveldge to. If Michael had been my husband I would make everything up to protect him. Converserly on the same ideals as the hyperbraric sleeping chamber. Give them what they want - trash and plenty of it sells. peace and love, Judith
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