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Post by loveisadoughnut on Oct 1, 2009 19:33:45 GMT -5
So....it seems that all these people who have come out as "friends of" and "experts on" Michael with all their claims to know the truth of who he was have a huge dose of egg on their face this evening. Good. I hope they choke on it for a good long while. My suspicions have been confirmed that not one of them knew Michael in recent years and are peddling old and outdated information. Perhaps this explains why those who have been around him in recent years have either held their tongues in the press or spoken only lovingly of Michael. Michael was not emaciated and suffering, he wasn't "filled with needle marks", he wasn't bald and he didn't have a hole in his face where his nose should have been, as despicable "news sources" have "reported" without regard to the millions of hearts that they tortured with this garbage. Michael was completely healthy and drug free when he left us. My heart is heavy and aching tonight with thoughts of...this didn't have to happen. It should not have happened. What a huge waste and a tremendously unnecessary loss. And my anger is raging, as is my need for vengeance. I am in a state of conflict between the joy of his vindication and the sorrow of his senseless passing. The floodgates open once again. And yet, I remind myself of what I've always known and what Michael himself has told me...it was time for him to go. His work here was done. I wish to God that that made me feel better The link is below. Warning: While this report doesn't contain the full autopsy report, it does contain quite a bit of graphic information. Do not read it if knowing the details will bring you pain you're not yet ready to process. I've already shared what I consider to be the important details in this post. bit.ly/tSYgO
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Post by jacque on Oct 1, 2009 21:31:50 GMT -5
Dear all, I read the very same report on the MJFC website earlier today. I was so happy to read that Michael was healthy; however, that just makes it even harder to deal with his death in some ways. It means that Michael should still be with us. Love Is a D...did Michael say his work here was done the evening of our Circle of Love? Did he explain what he meant by that? After all, he still had his children to raise..... I have such MIXED EMOTIONS about this report!! Happy that it shows that Michael wasn't on a BUNCH of drugs and that he was mostly fine physically, except for inflammation of the lungs. He wasn't emaciated, as many people were reporting. But because he was healthy, it is even harder to accept his death! This knowledge is going to set me back a little bit, I'm afraid! Jacque
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Post by GiveInToMe on Oct 1, 2009 23:51:25 GMT -5
Ohh, LoveIsAD, I'm sorry you are feeling that way .....things happen for a reason even though we can't understand it at the moment. Do you know if he was taking propofol in a regular basis as it is said? I have no way of knowing what was going on but if you need an anaesthesic to sleep most of the time, that's gonna take the toll sooner or later. He might have been healthy in some ways but those sleeping disorders are not right. Even though it seems to many (me included) that he have much more to give, he actually did so much while alive that maybe it was his time indeed. You know what? I think he's achieving much more now with his death.... We have to let him go and go on.....those vengeance feelings doesn't do good to you, hope you're feeling better.... Love
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Post by loveisadoughnut on Oct 2, 2009 2:18:10 GMT -5
Hi Jacque,
No, he actually told me that at an earlier date, during one of the first conversations we had after his passing.
He didn't explain it further and I didn't think to ask because I understand what he means by that. He had completed the work he was able to do here, and what remains of his work could only be completed through his leaving.
Mary-Ann and I have had conversations about the many ways in which Michael sacrificed what was in his own best interests in order that others would be served in some way. More than anyone, he seemed to understand and demonstrate the concept that the good of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. His passing set off a chain of events that are creating change in the world in a way that could not have happened had he stayed here.
I know that it doesn't seem his work here was finished when his children are so young, but Michael's work and destiny are larger and more far reaching than parenthood. And I don't in any way mean to diminish the role of parenting as it relates to the importance of the shared destiny of the world. I simply mean there is so much more going on than just his personal life and those that shared it with him.
In their time together, he provided the foundation for the core of who they will be for their entire lives, and in some cosmic way that is far beyond my understanding, perhaps that is enough. Sure doesn't seem right though. But as GiveIn says, and I agree, everything happens for a reason. Sometimes that's all we have to hang on to.
GiveIn,
Thank you for your support, I truly appreciate it. You're right of course that feelings of vengeance serve nothing, but it's how I feel. I'd like to get that Dr alone in a dark alley for a couple minutes. But I know those feelings are a result of my pain and this too shall pass.
I haven't asked Michael about any history he might have had with propofol because that knowledge serves no one. The bigger issues, the ones that do serve human kind, are that it was used at all, that doctors sometimes abuse their licenses to achieve fortune and a ticket to the inner circle of the celebrity world, and that prescription drugs aren't as safe as the general public believes them to be. These are issues that Michael's passing has brought to light. Hopefully his sacrifice will not be in vain and something positive will come of it in terms of how prescriptions and controlled substances are used in this country.
In terms of Michael's inability to sleep, that wasn't because anything was physically wrong with him.
Michael moved a lot of energy through his body on a daily basis, and even more so when he was rehearsing, performing, or touring. He couldn't sleep because he was unable to channel excess energy out of his body when he came offstage. The only way Michael knew to get still and quiet was through motion, which of course only served to increase the energy he was moving through his body. So it became a vicious circle.
He tried meditation, but obviously that didn't work. I'm deeply frustrated that Michael didn't have anyone around him that knew the intricacies of energy management and could teach him how to manage his energies so he could sleep without an anesthetic.
I guess I've rambled on long enough. I hope that answers some of your questions.
Peace
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Post by ida on Oct 2, 2009 3:10:03 GMT -5
I agree...My emotions are mixed as well...I decided not to finish reading the article. It just hurts. At least Michael knew he was healthy in the end and didn't have to worry for his health (there were enough other things to worry for...), but it still hurts. I'm glad he finally got his sleep... Jaque: This is a lady that is channeling with Michael, and she said that Michael was sad because he couldn't raise his children. But I still think that sounds strange - Michael's children were the MOST important part of his life, he loved them with all his soul, how can he say that he had finished his work on earth? It's another thread with that link, but anyway here is it: bit.ly/4ivrLLove always, Ida
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 2, 2009 4:19:46 GMT -5
Ida,
Try not to worry about his children - they are being taken care of. And Michael will always be with them in spirit... I am sure of that. None of us can live forever, and we all agree that Michael went too soon. But what he contributed to the world will live forever, and in our hearts.
L.O.V.E.
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Post by loveisadoughnut on Oct 2, 2009 5:56:31 GMT -5
Hi Ida,
I know it's difficult to understand. Let me try and explain it another way. When Michael said his work here was completed, he was acknowledging this as a fact, not a choice. He didn't say...oh well, my work there was done so I decided to leave. He was not given a choice to stay or to go.
Had he been given that choice, he would have stayed. I asked him that specifically. I've been meaning to create a post with all the questions I've asked him and the answers he's given in the Tidbits From Michael section, I just haven't gotten around to it. I probably should have done that first. I promise I will do it soon. I think it will answer a lot of questions for everyone.
Understand that Michael exists in a different state of consciousness now. He is in a place where things like time, space, separation, past, present, future do not exist. These things are part of the physical plane - part of the human experience.
Put another way, the idea that we are each separate people only exists on earth (or any planet with a physical plane). Our concept of time as being a straight line from past to present to future is also a physical plane concept.
In the "place" that Michael is, there is no separation between him and everything else. As I sit at my desk, I can say...I am here and you are there. This separation of person (me vs. you) and space (here vs. there) exists for us, but it does not exist for Michael.
If the sum of all things were a jigsaw puzzle, then it would be fair to say that all each of us can see is our own piece. As we figure out where we fit and connect with other pieces (people for example), we are then able to see their piece as well as our own. The more connections we make, the more pieces of the puzzle we see.
But no matter what we do, we will never see the entire puzzle, because that is the nature of human life.
Michael exists in a state of consciousness where he can: See the entire puzzle Understand each piece of the puzzle Understand the entire puzzle and how all the pieces fit together Interact with every piece of the puzzle
Not only that, but he is in fact, the puzzle itself because he exists in a state of consciousness where there is no separation between the pieces of the puzzle, or himself and the puzzle.
Another way to say it is....when you bake a cake, you begin with separate ingredients. Once they are mixed and the cake is baked, there is no way to separate them because they are now part and parcel of an entirely new whole.
Michael is no more separated from his children than their fingers and toes are. To say that he is with them is an understatement. And because linear time is no longer a part of his experience either, he can see them in their past, in their present, and in their future all at once. And because his understanding is no longer limited by the humanity he shed when he left here, he is able to grasp the totality of all of their life experiences and understand all the hows and whys of those experiences. And he is able to see that they are and will be just fine.
I encourage everyone to investigate readers and channelers (including me) with logical questions, personal experience, and gut feelings. Having said that, here is what I would ask this woman about her sessions with Michael:
Why is he sad when he's not separated from his children? Sadness is a human emotion. It does not exist in spirit. Since Michael is in spirit, how could he be experiencing a human emotion? How long has she been doing this work?
Then the questions I would ask myself are:
Does what she says make logical sense to me? Does what she says feel right in my gut? Does what she says make logical sense when I ask the right questions?
Then I would review my own personal experiences and compare what I'm being told against what I experienced. I would ask myself:
Did I feel any sadness from Michael during the circle of love exercise? What did I feel from Michael during the circle of love exercise?
Please understand that I don't say any of this because I disagree with her. It's perfectly normal for different readers to pick up different things from the same person in spirit. It all depends on the level of connection they've achieved.
I put this information out there, because any time you're dealing with a psychic, these are the things you should be asking yourself and looking for - especially if you're going to pay them any money or are in some way affected by what they have to say.
I hope this helps you understand better about why Michael had to leave when he did, but if not, I'm happy to answer any questions you have.
Peace
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Post by ida on Oct 2, 2009 6:29:33 GMT -5
Thank you.
Mary-Ann and LIAD,
I don't worry too much for the children - I know they are taken care of. But after all, they still lost their one and only parent - The most important part of their lives. They had no friends - Michael was their best friend, their daddy, their world. Imagine waking up without him. That must be the scariest feeling in the world... Luckily they have each other and a huge family that know how to love each other. And I'm sure they are making it out. The whole family is filled with love...Off course they will.
LIAD, Yes, it is difficult to understand - And off course Michael did not want to leave, but he understood it was time for him. I often try to imagine how it is to be dead, to be in that spiritual world, as you say - the "place" where Michael is. We can try to imagine, and we can connect with them... But we will never actually know - until we are there usself/usselves. It's strange to us - simply because we are human beings and we have never (?) excperienced this before... I have to think of this myself... There are many different thoughts to deal with. :-)
You are a intelligent woman! I have and I do learn so much of you all...
Love always, Ida
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Post by loveisadoughnut on Oct 2, 2009 6:48:33 GMT -5
Awww thank you Ida I've been studying many years and every day I learn something new. I never get tired of learning and when I think about the sheer volume of things I don't know, I get that much more excited to learn about it all! I'd give my eye teeth to get inside Michael's library...I can only imagine the books he had in there! Probably nobody would ever hear from or see me again though lol! About the kids, I understand what you mean. I was worried about the children as well, and especially worried about little Blanket, even after Michael assured me about them. I just really struggled with letting it go. There's just something about that little guy. About the after-life: You're right, we'll never know for sure until we get there. For now, the best we have is the descriptions and information they give us...but I also know that no matter how well I understand what I'm being given, there's no way to fully conceptualize it because there is stuff going on there that we don't even have language for, and so it cannot be described or explained to a degree where we can fully understand it. That is a part of my journey that I'm really looking forward to. Not that I'm in any hurry to leave here. I have way too much to do. But still, I'm looking forward to getting there. It's going to be awesome! Peace
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Post by ida on Oct 2, 2009 7:58:52 GMT -5
Hi LoveIsADoughnut... You are very right I have been thinking very much of the three children... They are all so lovely! I know you shouldn't believe everything that is written, but I have read so many beautiful things about her. It seems like she has struggled a LOT... Sometime I will write her a letter. Reading, learning, philosophing and thinking of things like after-life can be REALLY exciting! What we do have to remember is to enjoy life! Because life is beautiful and after all, it's the only thing we've got... I'm happy I was born in Norway, we all should be happy we were born in our countries... «I was born an egghead...» - Do anyone remember? *laughing* Love always, Ida
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Post by Hayat on Oct 2, 2009 8:01:17 GMT -5
The first thing that comes to mind to me... Why isn't this report being broadcast on tv and papers? Because hadn't I gotten this through the site, I wouldn't have known about this! Because it's the truth? Because it's a 'normal' report? That he was perfectly healthy?? This really bumms me.. Really does. I feel so ... well I guess I feel the same as LoveIsA... This angers me. And saddens me... Because I know Michael loved life.... And now he's gone. This oughtta be broadcasted everywhere!! Michael was completely healthy for a 50 year old man!!
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Post by jacque on Oct 2, 2009 9:25:29 GMT -5
The title of this thread made me think of this. Here's the link to a website called "Vindication Better Than Tributes" that I visited awhile back: launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Vindication_Better_Than_Tributes/Per a fan: "PLEASE JOIN A NEW GROUP for Michael Jackson, everyone!! This is very IMPORTANT, and they are an excellent group of people. We NEED to stop the media from continuing to make up lies and cruel stories as they have for many years. Here is the info for the new Michael Jackson group, "Vindication Better Than Tributes": "We, like all fans of Michael Jackson, want to see him vindicated BY THE PRESS. He has already been exonerated by a jury of his peers, but that's not enough. We want to pave the way for the boy accusers to step forward to recant. So let's get started!" You might want to check it out. LIAD - can you check this link for me, please? It works in my email, but I don't know if it will work on this post. (I don't know how you corrected that other link for me!) Thanks! I love you all more! Jacque
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Post by loveisadoughnut on Oct 2, 2009 13:03:08 GMT -5
Hyat, I'm with you. I'm frustrated that this isn't being broadcast everywhere. On CNN, it was a blurb on the ticker at the bottom of the screen. Considering that it was released to the Associated Press, which means it's in everybody's hands in terms of news organizations, it should be on every channel. Jacque, your link works fine To test your links, simply click on them after posting. I fixed the broken link in your other post by wrapping the URL in a URL tag (by highlighting the URL and then clicking the button with the little globe on it)
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Post by alijoy on Jan 5, 2010 17:49:58 GMT -5
I didn't know where to post this, but it's my vindication Facebook group called VindicateMJNow. We're working to show Michael as a human being just like the rest of us & give the truth on as many of the falsehoods that were believed & sread about him. We strictly prohibit bashing the media. As much as we may want to, it serves no purrpose & may make things harder. At some point, we hope to have a website & we may need the media to help promote us. The group description is below. VindicateMJNow is a collaborative movement of like minds to share- openly and logically- valid reasons why Michael Jackson (MJ) was incapable of the heinous crimes leveled against him in 1993 and again in 2003. This movement also has a blog associated with it where the original administrator writes editorials on aspects of Michael's life that have been widely discussed. The issues tackled have, so far, been the most controversial aspects of his life. Other group members are welcome to write their own blogs for the movment; if they wish. The blog name is Remember The Time. There is also a Twitter page associated with the group. It is called MJHumanity. At some point, we hope to have a website for everyone to visit. When that comes, an announcement will be made. Trust us, you will NOT find any other Michael Jackson forum exactly like this one. We may be MJ fans, but we're NOT fanatics. We're comfortable talking about the "whole" Michael Jackson, 'the imperfect human being', as well as the perfected performer. We clearly understand he may have been viewed as 'God-like' but he was not 'God'. He was human, with all of his insecurities, his joys, his fears, his inhumane strengths, his contradictions, his unconditional love, his good and not-so-good decisions. In other words, he was no different than you or me. This is exactly what we hope we can convince others - on the fence, or otherwise, - to see. We have no time limit on this movement's mission. Throughout this process we aim to bring like minds of all walks of life here. With that in mind, we're tossing out a 'very long' welcome mat to those who can provide the most credible explanations of his innocence, specifically sharing of thoughts by the famous- or infamous who knew him best. This would include his friends, his professional colleagues, his staff, his family, the children who knew and adored him, the parents of these same children or anyone who has seen the whites of Michael Jackson's eyes beyond a fleeting moment in a crowd. And, of course, his adoring supporters, like many of us... who remain convinced of his innocence. NOTE: Here's what VindicateMJNow is NOT: 1. A place to spew angry comments about anyone or any 'thing' that you believe may have killed him or led to his ultimate demise on June 25, 2009. And, YES, this means blaming the media who went after his 'strangeness' with a vengeance. Grieve the loss of him. We all do. Just don't bring it here. It's too late to place blame. Let's spend our energies 'making-it-right-for-Mike' by finally implementing what should have been done years ago: alternative, logical, clinical and professional views that help explain personal 'differences' between the 'everyday' person's view of 'normal' and MJ's. 2. A place to tell us why you think he was guilty. Don't even go there. We know all of the reasons you think this. VindicateMJNow is designed to present the other side of this equation- offer a different perspective. We may never change your mind; and that's OK. Just don't try to change ours. 3. A place to sell something (not otherwise approved by the forum administrators). 4. A place to argue. Will not be tolerated. Debating in a civil manner, yes. Anything less, no. 5. Unmoderated posts. To ensure appropriate language and process is followed, all posts will be moderated- trust us- this is for your protection, too. www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=283644450197&ref=ts
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Jan 6, 2010 9:00:21 GMT -5
A warm welcome, Alicia! Thanks very much for posting about your group. I am going to copy what you wrote and include it under Heads Up, since I believe you should have your own thread.
Your mission is OUR mission, so we've got your back! We don't even need proof of his innocence, since we know who he really is. But the media and the court of public opinion need to finally be educated on the truth, and we're right there with you!
Namaste,
Mal
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