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Post by Norma on Dec 31, 2009 17:58:59 GMT -5
I felt that this should have a place of its own... I have been talking to the gals at the Grave Hunters ( I am going to rename them "Our Calif. MJ Fans")... They have gone a couple of times and I would like you all to see them... I had posted it before but they have gone a couple times more...The first one is Lisa's blog... I have mentioned that I was working on something that I wanted to share with you...Well, I have had the opportunity to send something...Lisa said she would take it for me... I cryed for days after she told me she would do that for me... I started to freak out because I thought ohhhh, what am I going to do that is worthy for Mike...lol It took me awhile to get through it ... I made a huge card with 2 poems in it and all my favorite pictures of him... Plus, I sent a personal card (a funny one...no sappy cards for our MAN lol)... With a long letter inside... I had to tell him how much he ment to me... I also sent the gals a cute card that plays music in it... I found one that played " Dancin' Machine"... how crazy is that to find one with their music...Was ment to be... I wanted the first one to be special because it will be layed at his feet... I am still getting all choked up over this... but nothing could be as special as what he has given me in my life time... To be a better Human Being... what a gift... lisaburks.typepad.com/gravehunting/2009/12/mj.html www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5bAfNR4ZPowww.youtube.com/watch?v=VKUq77EEhyMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=w7FBcKVaPJw
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Jan 1, 2010 4:52:26 GMT -5
That's beautiful, Norma. It's good to know we can send a card or gift if we want to, and it will be laid at his tomb in his honor. It was so good of you to send your cards, letter and pics. Another clip with pics of Forest Lawn and his resting place: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh_wUzpNk2A&feature=fvwWe will go on our own pilgrimage, Norma. Someday we will.
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Post by Melissa on Jan 1, 2010 23:09:47 GMT -5
These clips just go to show how many of us there are out there. I love what that one woman said in MAL's third YouTube link about how when MJ fans come together it creates an overwhelming feeling of equality and unity.
What a gift that is ... he does that for us here too. Let's all try to manifest that in our own lives and environments as well. To emulate that kind of love and togetherness and pay it forward.
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Post by ida on Jan 2, 2010 6:26:48 GMT -5
Melissa: I guess you meant Norma's last link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7FBcKVaPJwAnyway, that video AGAIN made me think of that we have came so much longer in our grief than it seems like many of those people have! That is something I think we should think of and appreciate more. To talk for myself, the last year before June 25 was not one of my best. I've been struggling with loneliness and there was some problems in my family. At the time of Michael's passing - and before I met Jessica and the rest of our group, I was more confused than I'd ever been. No need of explaining, since I guess you know that feeling. If I hadn't got in touch with Jessica, who again linked me to the rest of the mailing group, I'm afraid to tell where I would have been today. Thinking of that really makes me scared. Allthough my grief for Michael never will disappear, I've learned how to handle it. Prejudice is ignorance, Michael said, and that is really something I've tried to change: My prejudice. I was never the worst to prejudice, but I've tried and still trying not to prejudge people. I've became much more critic to what the media says (not only about Michael). I've grown spiritually, and so has my interest and knowledge about the spiritual world. Both me and you have been through a rough time, but we have learned and experienced so much together! Life really is a beautiful struggle. I have absolutely failed during this half a year, but off course failing once makes you go the right way next time. Thinking of this inspired me to many texts and poems, here is one of them: Love ReceiptSmile at the old woman across the street. Share your esperiences and make advices out of them. Allow his angusih to exist. Listen to your friend's heardbeaking stories. Write him an honest letter. Send telepathic hugs to the Earth. Help that little girl on her journey. Listen to the murder's reflections. Tell her that she is beautiful. Give of yourself. The humanity doesn't always understand the real joy of giving. Continue giving, and God will open the gates and show you the true, deep love.Happy new year and I love you very much
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Post by GiveInToMe on Jan 2, 2010 21:26:48 GMT -5
Let's all try to manifest that in our own lives and environments as well. To emulate that kind of love and togetherness and pay it forward. that's exactly what we need to do Mel....even though the day may come where we don't feel so connected to him anymore (because we are healing)....we should never forget what we are here for....to continue his mission, to heal the world, to make a change and continue to grow spiritually.... I've been feeling a little bit detached, sometimes all this feels distant....I'm not grieving that much anymore....but I have to go on and never forget what all this meant to me and definitely I want to continue to grow my spirit.....I'll love him forever....but it doesn't hurt that much anymore.....that's how I been feeling these days......just a thought.....
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Jan 3, 2010 8:12:20 GMT -5
Ida, what an amazing poem! Thanks so much. Eva, you are still keeping Michael close to your heart. Keep the faith. Norma wanted this posted here - a pic of Michael's crypt showing all the cards, flowers and gifts adorning it... beautiful. i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/freebizy/crypt.jpg
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Post by Melissa on Jan 4, 2010 20:47:34 GMT -5
I've been feeling a little bit detached, sometimes all this feels distant....I'm not grieving that much anymore....but I have to go on and never forget what all this meant to me and definitely I want to continue to grow my spirit.....I'll love him forever....but it doesn't hurt that much anymore.....that's how I been feeling these days......just a thought.... I hear you, GiveIn. My grief comes and goes these days. When I'm busy, I feel like I'm losing the connection. But we have to live our lives, reimmerse, recommit and give our energy to our loved ones, our professions, our pursuits, our art, what have you. That doesn't mean we love Michael any less. He knows that. He's proud that we're moving on ... he WANTS us to move on and enact our own self-actualization in the world. If that means our attention for him retreats into a subtle, but persistent glow instead of the flaming candle or burning bonfire it has been, then so be it. This is how it should be. But I know (as has happened to me over the past 6 months) that the bonfire will return in earnest when we need to receive him. I am comforted by that knowledge of enduring love. It is such a gift to have faith in something, as I have never subscribed to any one religion, but have instead lived my life as a spiritual seeker of sorts. There is something constant we have tapped into here ... something tangible that I can believe in without reservation. Like Ida said, I don't know where I would be (likely flailing around in some murky sea of confusion and unchanneled grief) without all of you here on this forum. It is okay if we come and go. The constancy lives inside us all. Sizzling embers that reignite when we come together. Much love to you all, Mel
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Post by GiveInToMe on Jan 4, 2010 23:31:47 GMT -5
Thanks for your words Mel , I know there will be times when I'll feel the grief again but it's less often and less painful with time. That's good, that's part of healing....sometimes you have to let him go to continue with our lives.... that doesn't mean I'll stop loving or honoring him. I feel good....I'm working on growing my spirit and reconnecting with myself. I think I have to do that first. But I'll never forget what triggered that, what made me change.....and that got to do with Michael. I will do my best effort to continue his loving message of love....that's the main purpose of being touched by him.
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Post by Norma on Jan 4, 2010 23:44:09 GMT -5
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Post by karencanada on Jan 5, 2010 2:16:00 GMT -5
Wow Melissa I think you have it exactly right-- that this ebb and flow of Michael energy will always be with us, within us, and that we must each move forward and throw ourselves into our own lives, never forgetting the beautiful light that Michael lit in our souls. I too find myself immersed back in my 'regular life" but with a constant light inside me and a constant love burning...if it is a small candle some days and a bright leaping bonfire on others, it is still the same flame. And I find that when I spend some time on spiritual growth, as well as each time I reach out for genuine communication with and compassion for others, that fire grows again with Michael's face in the flames. I know exactly from where the fuel for my fire comes from and his name is written on my heart forever.
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Post by Norma on Jan 17, 2010 1:27:04 GMT -5
Well, I finished my Valentine's Day card to Mike... I really hope this one makes it... I was going to write a poem that I wrote for him but I changed my mind and wrote this instead... More fitting for V.Day... What do you think?? Here's the video so you can hear the song... Man, I miss him tonight... I think tomorrow I am going to do some running around and get out of the house for awhile... Tomorrow is going to be nice so I think I will stop by the park and sit and read my book... I am going to take Mike with me to feed the ducks...How does that sound... He is never further away then my heartbeat... www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKuoMpjedHMTo Where You Are Who can say for certain Maybe you're still here I feel you all around me Your memory's so clear Deep in the stillness I can hear you speak You're still an inspiration Can it be That you are mine Forever love And you are watching over me from up above Fly me up to where you are Beyond the distant star I wish upon tonight To see you smile If only for awhile to know you're there A breath away's not far To where you are Are you gently sleeping Here inside my dream And isn't faith believing All power can't be seen As my heart holds you Just one beat away I cherish all you gave me everyday 'Cause you are my Forever love Watching me from up above And I believe That angels breathe And that love will live on and never leave Fly me up To where you are Beyond the distant star I wish upon tonight To see you smile If only for awhile To know you're there A breath away's not far To where you are I know you're there A breath away's not far To where you are
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Post by ida on Jan 17, 2010 5:21:10 GMT -5
Oh, Norma, that poem made me speechless. I can hear my heartbeats. Beautiful words, SO TRUE... I didn't like the song though... Thank you so much for posting it...
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Post by Norma on Feb 5, 2010 20:42:41 GMT -5
Well, the Gal's went and visited Mike again for Valentine's Day... I had sent a card that I made just after Christmas and it got sent to the old address...But with some help from a special friend they found it and it was there in the video...So I would love to share it with you all...The first video is one of my new found friends on YT and she did a special request for me and she taped it which was a total surprise...SHE ROCKS... Now I have that forever...My heart is so all a glow everytime I watch it... www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2w_OaKCarwThe second one is where they have layed everything out... Here is the video of my card its at 2:25 I wrote the 2 songs in it and put in all my favorite picture of him in it... The front has him dressed as a King holding his crown and I wrote Mike...My King on it... the little card next to it is my personal one...My Valentine Card is the one at 6:30 it is a little boy in a fedora kissing a little girl...and inside it says " Thank you for finding my Heart "... the gals are such sweethearts for doing this... Look at all the L.O.V.E... www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b3CLe4jFIAThe 3rd one is of the guards and at one point they open the doors to take everything in... I was smiling up until then...My heart was in such awwwww when I saw how big his sarcaficus is...Look how little Patrick looks against it... It really does make everything so real... That is when I started to cry...but they are tears of L.O.V.E. www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4btvmIAEOkHere is Lisa's videos... that is my Valentine's Day card at 1:43 and my card again is at 5:12 This is Yvonne my YT friend 8:47 and Antoinette is in the middle 8:53 They just ROCK... They have huge hearts... I know that Mike's L.O.V.E. Shines in each and everyone of us... Just looooook at all the L.O.V.E... www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XvEFoJFZSEwww.youtube.com/watch?v=J4PzGHNXaNE
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Post by Norma on Mar 4, 2010 17:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by dadgoneitbaby on Mar 6, 2010 20:10:54 GMT -5
Thank you for posting that, Norma. Debbie would have gotten a hug from me, too. I really feel for Debbie, especially for having been brushed by some of the same unfair media treatment that pursued Mike. The press doesn't care for people with spunk. May she also find some peace soon.
-dgib
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Post by jacque on Mar 7, 2010 0:29:52 GMT -5
Wow, Norma! I just read your post about Debbie visiting Mike's resting place when the fans were there. It made me cry....I would have given her a big hug, too! She has been through so much and she never stopped loving Michael, even after they got divorced. I believe this was truly a healing thing for both Debbie and the fans. I would have loved to have been there! Thanks so much for sharing!
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Post by Norma on May 8, 2010 18:16:33 GMT -5
Warning before you open this... Get a box of Tissues... I didn't have any an now I am a mess lol... Michael's Spiritual Advisor June Gatlin... This is for Our King of Pop and Our Prince of Peace... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps-xYjSayOA
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Post by Melissa on May 12, 2010 0:16:46 GMT -5
Thanks for posting that Norma. It's beautiful. She articulated how all of us feel about him--Prince of Peace indeed. If I have children, they will know everything about his journey and his contribution. L.O.V.E.
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Post by Norma on May 15, 2010 12:58:09 GMT -5
Okay I am sure by now you all know that Lisa Marie Blogged about Mike and what kind of flowers he liked...Personally I am kinda upset about her saying that there was nothing there when she went...I know for a fact that there are gifts and flowers left everyday by his fans...but whatever... Here is her post...if you haven't seen it yet...
While visiting him a few days ago at Forest Lawn , Riley and I couldn't help but notice that , while there are a few bouquets , candles and gifts there is a very large empty space around him and in front of him that could use a whole lot more.While , I am sure that the staff at The Holy Terrace do their very best to place ... See Morewhat is sent and what is placed at the door at his tomb , I thought you might like to know that he would want and deserves more than what is there and I had an idea.......Some may or may not know this but his favorite flower was the Sunflower.They made him happy because they looked happy to him , thus, he called them "The Happy Flower".When we were married , I would try and fill up rooms with them wherever he was.I wanted to bring something to place near him that he liked and that wouldn't die so I brought a large vase of silk sunflowers and placed them near him. This barely made any kind of dent in the atmosphere so I thought of maybe letting those who care know what the situation is and how we can solve it.I know how much he loved and appreciated being showered with Gifts and flowers by his fans , I thought if whoever wants to bought just one silk sunflower each and sent it , the whole area around him and in front of him (As well as the two large empty vases that sit on either side of him) could be filled up in no time , which would be much more appropriate than what the current status is right now. We can all cause a "Sun shower" if you will........... He deserves to be flooded and surrounded , LETS SURROUND HIM! Lots of Love,~LMP" So almost the very next day Sunflowerguy shows up with 1500 Sunflowers (30 buckets containing 50 flowers each) the owners name is Jason Levin and he did this to response to Lisa's blog...How AMAZING is that... Here are Lisa Burke's picture to show you how BEAUTIFUL they are... Its like Mike has his very own SUNSHINE... www.flickr.com/photos/lisaburks/sets/72157624063611738/I think to show how much we really loved these people for doing this selfless act is send out a world wide message... Here is their website and phone number... I think we should show our love now by giving them our business... I am a true believer of what comes around goes around and in this case it is a WONDERFUL thing... I know where i am ordering my flowers from 1-877-474-6489 www.sunflowerguy.com/P.S. FOREST LAWN DOES NOT EXCEPT SILK OR FAKE FLOWERS... Just a heads up...
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 15, 2010 4:32:48 GMT -5
Attention! New rules at Forest Lawn posted by TMZ, effective immediately... they are charging now which is fine, and thank God they took down the tacky stage for fans to leave gifts. But notice that from now on, they won't be accepting any more cards or gifts, only flowers! The rest they will throw away! I don't think that's right at all... please comment! I just posted my comments at TMZ and am sharing it here: Thanks for letting us know, TMZ... I posted this at our MJ's Army forum... www.mjsarmy.proboards.com/At least FL took down that tacky stage. What bothers me is that fans can't leave cards or gifts anymore! We would have assumed that the Jackson family gets everything once there's no room left to store it. I guess we assumed wrong! Someone should come up with a solution, or else send all the gifts directly to the Encino compound. Does everyone agree? ++++++ MJ Cemetery Charging 3 Bucks to Leave Gifts 9/15/2010 12:10 AM PDT by TMZ Staff It's gonna cost Michael Jackson fans if they want to continue leaving gifts inside the King of Pop's mausoleum -- because TMZ has learned the cemetery is now charging a special $3 MJ delivery fee. According to sources at the infamous burial space, Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale, CA has decided to take down the stage where fans were previously allowed to place gifts -- and are now enacting a new gifting policy ... so long as fans pay the price and abide by the rules. Effective immediately, cemetery staff will take gifts for MJ inside the mausoleum -- where fans are still forbidden from setting foot -- for a $3 fee ... oh yeah, as long as those gifts are flowers. Anything else -- teddy bears, posters, picture frames, candles -- will get dumped ... and if they run out of space inside, we're told excess gifts will have to brave the elements outside.
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Post by cowboymjj on Oct 27, 2010 22:23:01 GMT -5
The last two visits to Michael we have opened and read all MJ Mail in front of Holly Terrace. It's an incredibly moving and touching experience to hear the many cards and letters from fans all over the world. Not a dry eye outside Holly Terrace. At this time, sadly cards and gifts are not being taken in. FLOWERS only purchased through FL are taken in to be next to Michael. We visited yesterday and it was a mess of dried flowers and sun/rain damaged mail. The maintenance have stated they are not cleaning anything that is left outside. But thanks to Susan Bryant she went to the local store, purchased a broom and dustpan and some trash bags and made it look beautiful again. At this time cards/gifts are being left outside of HT to be close to Michael which is what fans have expressed that they want. Please continue to send your mail and gifts to Michael at the following address... If anyone specifies to go to Encino after being at FL, we will do our best to deliver asap. MJ MAIL PO Box 575 Atwood, CA 92811-0575 We take every 3rd of the month when the Official Michael Jackson Fans of Southern California visit Michael.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 28, 2010 2:53:37 GMT -5
Thanks for that important info, Amy. I want to be clear on this... the cards and gifts are still being thrown out by FL? And the flowers that are purchased elsewhere and delivered are thrown out?
So if we send flowers, cards and gifts to your PO Box, will your group deliver them to FL and then to Encino?
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Post by cowboymjj on Oct 30, 2010 0:46:28 GMT -5
FL still say they are giving any gifts to the family. But, we have seen cards and letters sit for days, weeks in the weather.
Flowers not going into be next to Michael are left outside till they are very dry and discolored and until we clean and throw them out. There are a few fans that help keep it clean and tidy. And yes, only flowers purchased through the FL florist go in to Holly Terrace to be next to Michael.
Yes, we will deliver to FL, share and then take onto Encino if that is what the fans would rather have done with the cards. Some fans still would like to have everything stay close to Michael even if they might be thrown away eventually by FL. It's really just very sad that a dozen cards can't be taken in and placed next to Michael. FL used to take EVERYTHING in up until around June/Anniversary. We wish it could go back to that.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 30, 2010 2:51:21 GMT -5
Thanks for that info. Will share it with all in my next update.
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Post by judith51 on Oct 30, 2010 8:01:29 GMT -5
Well. I think Forest Lawn is trying to make money with their floral shop. The security guard I spoke with in August at Great Mausoleum agreed. She wouldn't take the flowers in they had to be placed on this horrible tacky tribute to Michael outside of Holly Terrace. Lisa Marie is correct about the lack of flowers for Michael. I'm being buired about 350 feet away from Mj in Holly Terrace. When I visited my burial plot for the first time last March - sadly there were about twenty flowers by him. However. they are replaced every 3 days as per regulations of Forest Lawn. This is the phone number for Forest Lawn flower shop so you may have flowers delivered directly to his crypt. 1- 323- 340-4632 Peace, Judith
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