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Post by michaelbutton on Oct 22, 2010 14:42:49 GMT -5
Hello,
Did you notice anything strange or unusual visually or hearing throughout the interview?
Did you hear any repetitive words and sentences?
Did you hear the truth?
Why is everyone hating Oprah?
The truth shall prevail
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 23, 2010 3:00:49 GMT -5
Michaelbutton, I don't quite understand what info you need. Sounds like you're upset, so I moved this post under Rants. I will answer your questions the best way I know how. Would you like to share anything unusual you saw or heard during the interview? I didn't notice anything in particular, except some mumbling from people in the background. No, I didn't hear any repetitive words. Did anyone else? YES I heard the truth finally, thank God! You can read more of what I think under the Truth About Michael board... the thread called Lisa Marie on Oprah. Some people like Oprah and some people don't. I used to like her but in the past few years she's proven she has a huge influence over people, and that bothers me. A lot of people take her word as gospel, and instead I think people should think more for themselves. I am also mad at her because she believes Michael is guilty of child molestation. Now IF she decided to start defending Michael, and share the truth with her viewers about all the injustice, I would change my mind, praise her up and down, and call her a hero! Wouldn't it be nice if that actually happened? Let's hope that the truth shall prevail. Justice for Michael! Mal
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Post by judith51 on Oct 25, 2010 20:34:08 GMT -5
I agree Mary Ann I don't care for Oprah in any sense. I am an individual in every sense and will not follow the rest of the lemmings. As for the women Michael was married to I beleive they were both manipulated by him for personal gain. Such as childbearing and taking the focus off of media issues which were slowly destroying him at the time. I actually pity his ex wives. They will always have to answer to the media for thier relationship with him. Both of them are left holding the media bag so to speak. Michael could have just as easily adopted children as he once intended to. I have had a year to think about the issue and came to this conclusion. Michael got what he wanted becuase he was shrewd in every aspect of his life. Remember he was a master of illusion. I still think he was a great performer, but both of these women were taken in by an illusion also. I personally would have never given up my children or could have for that matter. I don't care if it was Mickey Mouse who was the Father. I will be 53 soon I think its major maturity taking over. Anyway, it still must have been a thrill for them to be with him, but didn' they see the underlying motives for his? Judith
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 26, 2010 9:07:08 GMT -5
Judith, I disagree that he used Lisa Marie. Yes, Debbie was always only meant to be a surrogate for him... it's only because his mother wanted him to marry Debbie who was pregnant at the time, that he did. Otherwise, he never would have and I don't believe they were ever intimate either.
But I believe he loved Lisa Marie... and yes, getting married at the time of the 1993 allegations helped his image, but that was just an added bonus. He really wanted kids, and she promised him that, but then reneged on her promise. She ultimately deceived him, and that's why the marriage broke down and his heart was hardened towards her. I don't see how getting married to have children is using someone. That is the ultimate goal for most couples. His big dream was to always have a total of 12 children... and I'm assuming that because of his tarnished reputation as a molester all over the world, he had no hope of ever being allowed to adopt from any country! This is why he secretly searched for surrogates who he could pay to have more children for him, who would essentially give up their children to Michael. Only one woman agreed to this arrangement and Blanket was born.
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Post by judith51 on Oct 26, 2010 19:39:03 GMT -5
I never knew alot of this info thanks for enlightening me. I guess I have listened to the media too much. Lisa Marie sounds like she was a little stinker when they were married. Well, so much for what I thought I knew it all.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 27, 2010 1:54:54 GMT -5
LOL, that's okay Judith I've done lots of research ever since he passed, and found out all this stuff. Of course I don't know everything. But that's why we have this discussion going, to share info. And I agree with you about Lisa Marie! I did not like her at all for the way she treated him during their marriage, and especially after! The terrible things she said to Oprah, Diane Sawyer and others about him after the divorce... insinuating that it was a big mistake to marry him, perpetuating the idea that he was some abnormal freak. Meanwhile, we find out all that time she was pursuing him and even travelling with him for years... even while he was married to Debbie! I feel sorry for Debbie more now, when I think about this. Imagine how she must have felt. I remember someone interviewing Debbie, and asking her how she felt about Lisa Marie still being Michael's friend. She answered that she didn't mind at all, and in fact she would be sad if they weren't still friends. That sounds way too nice coming from the new wife, doesn't it? It sounds like she was even defending LMP! It's obvious she was very hurt about it, but then what else could she say? That she was jealous?
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Post by judith51 on Oct 27, 2010 13:15:58 GMT -5
Exactly, the rumors I hear from my nail lady is that she is still pursued by the press in Plam dale where she resides. When I saw Debbie outside of the Great Mausloeum crying- not even have been included on the Jackson's list of those approved for visitation to Michael 's tomb. I thought one thing. The Jackson's must have really disliked her for some reason. I told the nail lady that if she sees Debbie at an auction again to tell her I would sell my burial property to her. Yes, at an increased price 60 - 80 thousand dollars. I think that buying the burial property was a good investment. No property is for sale in niches anymore just a few crypts.Anyway, she would be realtively close to Michael if buried there. Yes, I pity her but also commend her for having the bravery to give up her privacy the rest of her life. I'm sure she loved him very much. Judith
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Post by karencanada on Oct 29, 2010 2:16:38 GMT -5
I believe Debbie Rowe stated very openly that she offered to have Michael's kids for him, that it was something she did out of love and respect for him, and that they were not in love at any point; she did it as his friend, as the ultimate gift she could give him. (SHe also stood to gain financially, which sounds mercenary, but really, she was just a surrogate for MJ, and all surrogates gain financially.) So I don't understand why she would be jealous or uncomfortable with LMP and MJ being friends. She had a completely different relationship w/ MJ, not a romantic one...at least , that is what she is on record saying. I also think in order to do what she did, she has to have a pretty big heart.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Oct 29, 2010 9:10:03 GMT -5
I believe Debbie always loved Michael, but he didn't love her. It must have hurt her pride because she told Arnie Klein that they were intimate. It has to be such a hard thing to do, to marry someone who doesn't return your love, but at least she had wonderful adventures with him. Travelling to Australia to marry him, travelling around Europe and Asia on the HiStory tour and more. Plus he gave her many millions in their settlement, and she has received millions from his estate as well.
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