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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Jul 31, 2010 2:09:26 GMT -5
Great news! More info on the upcoming release of Michael's album due to hit stores this November... www.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/186832Looks like "Hold My Hand" with Akon will be on it, and hopefully "Another Day" with Lenny Kravitz! YAY!
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Aug 5, 2010 21:58:53 GMT -5
Will.i.am from the Black Eyed Peas is upset about the release of the upcoming album, because he knows Michael being a perfectionist, wouldn't want to release a record until it was just right. www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=7&aid=3914&dir=2010/August/Thursday5I understand Will.i.am's point of view, but we MJ fans will even listen to Michael's vocal training, so anything new from Michael is a blessing! Plus Michael left all these extra tracks for his children, so that they would benefit from the proceeds for many years to come, and they will.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Aug 11, 2010 11:39:47 GMT -5
I received the following note from Peaceful and am re-posting it below. Just a heads up to all... please do not click on the Report Post link unless you find something offensive. Otherwise, always click on Reply and your message will be posted automatically. Thanks!
Reported by peaceful on Today at 6:41am for the following reason:
Im also upset because Michael, didnt want sony to publish his music anymore, because, they get behind his back, and they didnt want to publish the album invincible at first they mean there were some overly harsh opinions about specific individuals, as Sony did not like, but it was just Michael's opinion about those people who treated him very badly. So Michael was very mad at Sony. And the unreleased songs was to his chrildren, and only them have to decide, who it should be published from, and that is not Sony. They have enough money for the rest of there life, even also if the songs didnt came out. so I mean let the chrildren desiced how and when it schould be published, it is some very personal song from der dad Michael. Sony only want to make money in his name. So I will not by anything from sony, I think Michael didnt want us to. I know We fans really want his music, but I think we should be a little patient with buying anything know from Sony, because there'll be other publisher.
Note from Admin:
I understand how you feel too, Peaceful. There are lots of fans who want to boycott Sony because Michael was so upset with them. But his real beef was with Tommy Mottola, who was fired from Sony long ago. Also, I know for sure that Michael does not care one way or another about Sony now. He feels no anger or resentment against them, or anyone! He just wants all of us to be happy, and we WILL be when his new album comes out.
Think of it this way... Michael will be on the airwaves again, his album will be a big hit, and the media will have to report only positively. If they don't, the fans will rise up against them for sure!
Mal
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 1, 2010 12:03:33 GMT -5
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Post by divastyle on Sept 1, 2010 22:19:13 GMT -5
I'm so excited MAL & I'm also torn. I'm dying to hear some new music from Michael, but I'm not to happy w/ Sony's treatment of him at all!!
I really hope "Place With No Name" is on it too, LOVE that song!!!
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Post by martyinla on Sept 7, 2010 15:20:48 GMT -5
I am unequivocally in support of this 'new' MJ CD. While it's true that MJ battled with his music label and was badly mistreated and slandered by them, even Sony/CBS cannot tarnish the musical legacy of Michael Joseph Jackson. MJ prepared for this through his Estate, and ensured his past, present and unreleased music would live on through men appointed to oversee his posthumous business affairs. As difficult as it may be for some fans to support Mr. McClain and Mr. Branca, we have to give them credit for fulfilling MJ's wishes after his death.
This 'new' CD will be emotional for all of us, but we should look to the future with confidence that MJ's beautiful music will be a part of future generations forever.
Marty In LA
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 7, 2010 17:47:19 GMT -5
I agree 100%, Marty. I'm so looking forward to this album! Here is the latest news from Showbiz 411... www.showbiz411.com/2010/09/06/michael-jacksons-new-album-so-close-and-yet-so-far-awayYou will note that we don't even have a release date yet, or even talk of the first single to come off the album! My guess is they are scrambling, since it looks like so many are involved in re-working the songs, including those artists, engineers and producers that worked with Michael on each one. I will definitely share more info here as it comes out! Mal
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Post by karencanada on Sept 7, 2010 21:17:52 GMT -5
Marty and MAL I am in deep doubt due to intensive research by many individuals, as to whether the will that set up Branca and McClain as estate overseers is even valid. There is far, far too much information that outright gives me the creeps about them both. I don't have links to the videos immediately on-hand, but if you visit Muzikfactory2 on YT, you will find many chilling bits of information. Another video linked the dates of significant people's return into MJ's life-- esp. Branca, McClain, and DiLeo-- and the dates on prescription drugs found in MJ's home. He was taking almost nothing other than some innocuous pain meds before they returned into his life. Also I'm sure we are all aware that MJ was in NY on the date this will was supposedly signed in LA. I know we are all entitled to our opinions, and I hope you don't mind if I express mine. I think SONY is culpable in Michael Jackson's death; I also believe that when MJ spoke about the songs being his legacy for his children, he did NOT intend anyone but them to decide what to do with them. As it stands, the estate will make money, no doubt, but so will Branca and McClain with their ( as far as I can tell, completely illegal) 10 percent of profits clause. SInce when do estate executors make money off the person they are managing the estate for? I also have strong concerns about a clause in some contractual agreement with SONY when MJ's debt was restructured, that sets things up so that title to all his music and the ATV catalogue may revert to SONY should the loan not be repaid. As it stands as far as I know, The Estate is doing nothing to address re-structuring the loan, in which case I believe it is within the next couple of years that ATV and Mijac may fall into SONY's hands. I just cannot believe that McClain et all are fulfilling MJ's wishes in any way. That is my two cents, I feel strongly that I will not support any releases by SONY even if it means missing out on new music, until I know where the truth lies. We may never know, but for now that is where I stand. Peace.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 8, 2010 8:54:31 GMT -5
Karen, you are of course always welcome to share your opinions! Thanks very much. I recognize your concerns but I respectfully disagree, and here’s why. No matter what is found out about the will, whether it is true or not, the point is the will is right now fulfilling Michael’s wishes. For instance, the fact that Michael signed it in New York instead of LA does not make the will invalid. Ask any lawyer and they will tell you that. I know most people don’t trust lawyers, but do you really think Michael’s lawyers would do anything to hurt his children’s interests? Here is what I replied this morning to a member who was also questioning what Sony and Michael’s lawyers are doing. This is exactly what I believe, and please feel free to comment! If anyone disagrees with me, great! I’ll be happy to add my 2 cents as well Hi ____, Please don't believe this crap. I know what Muzicfactory2 has been doing for a long time now... inciting loyal MJ fans to believe these twisted truths and stupid conspiracy theories, and in turn, spreading dissention and HATRED among the fans. What she is doing is WRONG and her videos and blog are full of half truths and downright lies. Let's remember what you said: But then again Mike OWNED HALF OF SONY... Then we are hurting his children by not buying. Exactly! Is that what we want to do? Hurt his children? Does it really matter which lawyers manage Michael's estate? Whoever Michael personally chose to manage his legal affairs is who we should support, because they are working for his estate, his legacy AND for his children. Does Bonnie Cox really believe that his lawyers should work for free? That doesn't make sense and is ridiculous. And why is Sony being blamed for Michael's death? Yes Michael had a beef with them, true. His biggest beef was with Tommy Motolla, who was FIRED from Sony long ago because of Michael's campaign against them. Mission accomplished! Please know that Michael does not hate Sony, or anyone now. He always preached love, not hate. All he wants now is for us to love each other and be happy. And we will be because his music will continue to inspire us and lift our hearts for many years to come. Michael wants his children to be provided for, for the rest of their lives, and they will be, thanks to Branca and McClain who are managing his estate, who Michael himself appointed, who by the way are right now fighting every bogus claim against it and WINNING, all on Michael's behalf! Instead of hating them, we should be praising them and cheering them on for protecting Michael's interests because he's no longer here to do it himself. This is why Michael set up his will the way he did. My advice is, stop the hate and remember what Michael always stood for. Like MJ’s Army will always continue to do, please carry on Michael's mission of sharing the love, helping others and trying to save the planet. THIS is what you should be fighting for! It's all for love, L.O.V.E. Mary Ann www.mjsarmy.proboards.com/
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Post by karencanada on Sept 9, 2010 0:24:23 GMT -5
Respectfully, MAL, here is a rundown of info that I think is very relevant. www.mj-777.com/?p=5310 about one third of t he way into this article/blog, there is detailed information about SONY's previous contract with MJ, how he wanted to get out of it circa 2000, and how they ensured he couldn't while simultaneously making sure his album Invincible failed...with an explanation of why that worked in their favour. I harbour no hate towards any individuals involved in any of this, and I agree that Michael's spirit is beyond this concern. BUT, I truly believe this : "EVERY DOLLAR WE SPEND IS A VOTE FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN"....My feeling is, if I support a corporation who acts in underhanded, disrespectful unjust ways towards their artists, their workers, the country they are extracting resources from, whatever...then I am complicit to their crimes.
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Post by karencanada on Sept 9, 2010 0:26:33 GMT -5
PS, the signature and the initials on the will hardly even look like Michaels, plus, the people who emerged with this will stated clearly that it was signed in LA...it was others who dug up photos proving that MJ was in fact in NY on the signing date. Peace.
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Post by ceceq811 on Sept 9, 2010 21:17:49 GMT -5
WOW WOW WOW first of all what great great dialog Karen and MAL. You made me have to express my 2cents: MJ said, the day within days after his sony acquisition was complete, he got the first of (who knows how many), child molestation accusations...
The publishing rights of many artists were now his. Little Richard being one. MJ gave Little Richard back the ownershio of all the songs he wrote that were stolen from him for years. Little Richard now makes close to 50 million per year,because MJ. Notice Little richard is not mad no more....
When MJ bought half of Sony, he bought half of Powerful. Tommy Motola was just too hyper to be discreet about the desperation not to have this little-weird Black singer having the power to push too many buttons. THE WITCH HUNT TO ELIMINATE MJ BEGAN WHEN THE SONY DEAL WAS DONE. AND MJ KNEW IT.
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Post by ceceq811 on Sept 9, 2010 21:28:57 GMT -5
The devil has been trying to squash him into oblivion since this. I mean it is really obvious to me. The were trying before Tommy and After Tommy and they did not stop.
Thats what make MJ even more unbelievable and not of this world. We must try to see and accept what he meant to humanity. The strength and sheer poise and grace that this man possessd through daggers of insurmountable hate is beyond beyond, to me. He was persecuted because he had too much power and he had to tell the truth.
They exploited his need for pain meds. They put him in positions where they knew he would be vulnerable to take more pain meds. The encouraged his addiction so that they could catch him when he was cloudy. I believe that by this point MJ was so beat-up and tired after years of this, that he did not have the energy needed to fight back from all of this.
MAL you are right, MJ is fine finally, but I believe with everything in me that Sony took MJ out. I am sorry, but there is true evil in this world, always has been....
cece.
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Post by ceceq811 on Sept 9, 2010 21:32:49 GMT -5
Listen, MJ saw that books for lack of a better term. Part of the discourse was he saw how much publishing money was coming into Sony from Black Artist who never even got royalties for SONGS THAT THEY WROTE, PERFORMED.
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Post by ceceq811 on Sept 9, 2010 21:34:45 GMT -5
I MEAN FOR DECADES. Black Artist some of which are still alive. Ya'll know MJ could not sit back and say nothing and feel nothing about this. Now hes rocking the boat on top of everything else !!
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Post by ceceq811 on Sept 9, 2010 21:37:46 GMT -5
O Yeah ~ Sony is operating off of Blood-Money. I am with you Karen ... Plus I got all J% and mostly all MJ music to last me just fine.
I do have Invinsible, and I love it. I think some of his best work is on there, too me. Course all his work is his best work. His voice sounds extra-special on a few of the cuts.
cece.again.
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Post by karencanada on Sept 10, 2010 1:35:55 GMT -5
Ceceq and MAL, thank you for this conversation. I know there are so many opinions out there, and different interpretations of information, and I think it is of utmost importance to allow people to do their own reading and research and come up with their own conclusions. ( MAL I think it is unfair to write to someone saying that MuzikFactory2 is lying and spreading twisted truths and conspiracies theories; Michael himself talked about conspiracy against him and how it had to do with money; the media chose to portray him as "paranoid" and "wacko" for this. In fact there is mounting evidence that there were many people conspiring against him) I agree wholeheartedly with ceceq, and most of all I agree with these words you wrote:
"Thats what make MJ even more unbelievable and not of this world. We must try to see and accept what he meant to humanity. The strength and sheer poise and grace that this man possessd through daggers of insurmountable hate is beyond beyond, to me. He was persecuted because he had too much power and he had to tell the truth. " Amen to that. To anyone choosing to buy his music, please know that despite my strong feelings about it I totally understand how you would want to hear anything and everything MJ created, because the creations themselves are things of genius and love. K
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 10, 2010 16:13:07 GMT -5
Thanks for your thoughts on this, Karen (and Cece), and for Seven’s link to her blog! You obviously have strong beliefs that you’re right, and I doubt I could sway your opinions one way or the other. I would like to, but I understand we can’t all think alike, so I’ll just add my 2 cents and hope that members get a different point of view to consider. I’m well aware of Seven’s blog and her stance on what she believes transpired between Michael, Sony and AEG. And I don’t agree at all. Reading from her article you posted, she gets her info from other bloggers who “think,” “assume,” “are pretty sure” and so on. This is all based on conjecture and speculation, but because what she’s read makes some amount of sense, she’s drawn her own conclusions from a concocted story of half truths and other peoples’ ideas and opinions. What I don’t like is that she speaks of Sony and AEG like they were the devil, trying to trick Michael, even hatching a diabolical plot to kill Michael off for his Beatles catalogue. What utter nonsense, because they stood to profit from Michael’s work for many more years from all the concerts and his future albums. Did they want to profit? Did they want control? Did they want power? Of course! Welcome to the music business, folks! This is nothing new in the biz. It’s a tough business, and that’s why we always hear of artists getting screwed by their record companies and having to jump from one label to another, while getting sued for breach of contract. From the way Seven presented her case, she makes Michael sound like some poor dumb victim, like an innocent pawn being played by Sony, like a defenseless puppet where they hold all the strings. NOT! Give Michael a little more credit than that! He had been in the music business all his life, was incredibly intelligent and knew exactly what he was doing! It was a mutual partnership he was very excited about! Seven doesn’t believe Michael wanted to do the concerts either, and well, that’s her opinion but it’s WRONG. Not only did Michael want to do all the concerts, but he had plans to eventually do even more concerts elsewhere, probably in the US, but in just one city at a time… just never touring again from city to city. Perhaps New York, or maybe Las Vegas. One of his goals from the concert proceeds was to purchase a huge mansion and property in Bel Air, with a price tag of almost $100 million. He and his kids loved it, and his vision was to build another Neverland there, but this time, call it Wonderland. I don’t have time right now to continue my post, but in the meantime, please discuss! This is getting very interesting Mal
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Post by ceceq811 on Sept 13, 2010 12:54:59 GMT -5
Michael Jackson said in an interview I cannot remember which, but I know Ihave it on my harddrive. Michael Said "The day after I purchased the publishing rights, thats is when the first child-molestaion allegation came as well.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 14, 2010 15:29:57 GMT -5
Cece of course, that makes a lot of sense. Slimy characters come out of the woodwork when there's big money to be made, and Evan Chandler was the slimiest. On a happier note, I have 3 videos here of Rodney Jerkins, who was a friend of Michael's and worked with him on Invincible starting in 1999. One or two of the songs Rodney worked on will be on the new album! Check out the two videos I posted of Michael's unreleased songs with Rodney, under Favorite Michael Videos. He talks about their times together, and what Michael means to him... www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tBU0z7oaG4&feature=relatedA bit about Michael's creative process And about Rock My World... www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGLqhjnHHM0&feature=relatedSome more heartwarming stories about Michael, and the songs that they worked on together... it's all about his beautiful legacy! www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4wbxVK7ZR0&NR=1I am SO looking forward to this album!
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Post by ellen on Sept 14, 2010 18:24:15 GMT -5
Hi, Probably on the 2002 NY speech with Al Sharpton, the one he fought back Mottola publicly. Sept 2002.
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Post by ellen on Sept 14, 2010 19:33:32 GMT -5
Hi Mal, First of all I want to say Thank You for the hard work of writting the updates emails. I finally decided to come and write a bit. Thanks for keeping me informed on the activities in this beautiful site. You are doing a wonderful job. Thank you. I usually NEVER write on forums, I only read others opinions. I consider myself a Michael Jackson's scholar. As thus I read and interpret everything I can get my hands on incluiding the opposition books. Now I have to say, because I couldn't let it go: Have you all read Leonard's Rowe book? "What really happen"?? Seriously, has anybody sit down and analize what this gentleman has to say about the industry and AEG and Mike's contract? Make sure you all do. It is more evidence to support MUZIC'S point. This doesn't smell good AT ALL. I would buy the new album if its' good. MJ vocals will always be music to my ears, don't get me wrong but Mike is not here producing it anymore. That makes a difference to me. (Although just to keep his name at the top position I would buy it). It's true it benefits the children but even that point is moot. How much money do you need? Those kids are already multimillionaires. I rather uphold MJ's respect and make that my priority. I cannot support those who have practically murdered him. I will hate it if what we suspect of those people managing the estate someday is finally proven true...Plenty is left to be written my friends...plenty.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 15, 2010 1:02:20 GMT -5
Ellen, thanks so much for the compliments! I'm so glad to have your support, and thanks too for finally logging in to post No I haven't read Leonard Rowe's book yet, but I've definitely heard about it. Besides the fact it is only his opinion, it really saddens me that fans have taken his words as the gospel, and it has lit a fire... one I don't see as being beneficial or productive for loyal fans. Why must someone incite hatred among fans? Michael's death is hard enough to take, but then to incite fans to find blame wherever they can, to rage against something that can never be undone.... is this productive? Does this help us to heal, or does it cause us greater pain? It's all just very sad Michael wouldn't have wanted this.
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Post by karencanada on Sept 16, 2010 22:07:30 GMT -5
I just want to post the link to a video that I think is well done; yes, biased, but every single bit of media is, we know that...anyway I think the person does a great job of linking important facts about Michael's history with SONY... Yes Mal, it would be very hard to sway my opinion,lol, probably as hard as it would be for me to sway yours, hee hee! I think we both have strong convictions about this, and it;s great we can use this forum to discuss it, and know it's a place where love and respect come both first and last and every where in between Here is the video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7oMmBVIVvcLOVE
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Sept 17, 2010 2:47:39 GMT -5
Yes Karen, always with love and respect! That's how we roll here Of course, I strongly disagree with the video you posted. Some of it isn't even based on facts. It is so wrong for fans to boycott Sony, because after all, his children should get the proceeds from his records! I want the same thing for them, you see? What happened with Michael and Sony was way back in 2002... all water under the bridge. In my opinion, there's no way anyone can say exactly what Michael was planning to do after the concerts... which label would he sign with to release his next album? We may never know. I would much rather see all of us stand united when his album comes out in November. To get thrilled again by all the new songs, to again revel in the magic! The whole world will come together to praise Michael Jackson again, and his children will love that!
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