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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 1, 2010 18:31:29 GMT -5
Okay, here we go... already a controversy surrounding MJ's album. Is anyone surprised? TMZ and other news sites are reporting that his children are crying foul, saying Michael didn't really sing on all the songs... those produced with the Cascio brothers in 2007: foreign.peacefmonline.com/entertainment/201011/100254.phpSpeaking as someone who has tirelessly researched every known article and video about Michael's life, I can say without a doubt that he was good friends with the Cascio family and did record with them. I learned this many months before there was any mention of a new album. I was wondering if I should post this under Rants, because I'm upset that the kids are involved. Could it be they have been pressured by their family to speak out? And then of course, this could all be idle gossip, hearsay and trash talk. I choose to believe that Michael really did record with the Cascio brothers, and until I see or HEAR the proof for myself, I won't change my opinion. Your comments? Mal
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 8, 2010 11:55:41 GMT -5
Okay, I stand corrected! This is what I just told a member who asked my opinion...
It's okay if you disagree with me, but I don't believe it's Michael singing on Breaking News. The only part that is Michael are the WOOOHOOO's in the background. I was thinking the same thing about Sony... they would LOVE a controversy because then the album will be a big hit for sure. HUGE controversey = HUGE $$$ Most of the family, including the kids, have spoken out, saying it's not Michael. I wanted to wait until I heard it for myself, and now I agree with them. I really love the song... I just wish it was Michael singing.
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Post by mjsiris on Nov 8, 2010 17:42:57 GMT -5
I´ve listened to the song a few times now and I just don´t know! Some of it sounds like Michael, some of it does not but still close. But I guess we will never know for sure.
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Post by divastyle on Nov 8, 2010 19:17:32 GMT -5
OK guys, I just listened to it myself and I think Michael is in the mix in the background but he's not singing the whole song. Is that even legal for Sony to put out and say it's him when it's not??
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 9, 2010 11:39:00 GMT -5
We are all upset about this. Well, probably not all. I can't speak for everyone, because some do believe it's Michael singing. I've held off speaking my mind about it because I'm so angry that Sony would pull this stunt with his true blue die-hard fans! Do they really think the fans are that stupid? Apparently they do. I am SO MAD! I want to state my case, so that everyone can hear the differences between Breaking News and Jason Malachi, a well known MJ imitator on YT. His name keeps coming up as the imposter, so I'm using him as the example of what Michael does NOT sound like. First, listen to Breaking News, the acapella version: www.zshare.net/audio/825030868b4d0741/Now here is Jason M's song called Don't Walk Away: Same voice right? Jason does a thing with his voice... always a vibrato at the end. Michael doesn't sing like that! Here is our dear friend Jesse with his opinion as well. Jesse also mentions what Taryl Jackson says, that he was actually THERE when the so-called MJ tracks were delivered to the studio! PLEASE give this a listen and then decide for yourself. Unfortunately I agree with you, Jesse Wouldn't Michael's own family know his singing voice, better than all of us? I have always been a big supporter of his family, but NOW more than ever. This was supposed to be the month we celebrate Michael's music, but instead it's turned into the month of controversy! Does Sony WANT this controversy? Do they honestly believe that the more controversy Michael's new album gets, the bigger the sales? What if their "plan" backfires? What if a lot of fans boycott this album for THIS reason, that an MJ fake is singing on some of the tracks? (I've seen different reports about the Eddie Cascio songs... maybe 2 to 5 of the songs will be on the new album!) The last thing we want is for Michael's album to BOMB! I want his album to break ALL records, for his family, his estate, his fans and his legacy! I'm moving this thread under Rants, for good reason. PLEASE add your thoughts! Let's hear what you have to say too! Mal
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Post by judith51 on Nov 9, 2010 19:17:23 GMT -5
I personally thinks it terrible. The voice has clearly been dubbed. This means is has been added in with Michael's. Many singers do this, however I don't believe this was his intention. I think the Jacksons will probably follow suit. A good attorney will be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and win. I'm so sick of people disrespecting Michael in death. Well, that American morals and money hungry backstabbers. I will not purchase this cd until I know for sure. I refuse to support Sony if they have used him in death for their profit. Consequently, this was the first time his fans get to hear the new music since his passing. Someone needs to be sued asap. Poor Michael exploited for his genuis in life and death. What some people won't do for money. Remember what MJ said " are you affected by the same politics of greed and averace?"" I"d lie for you I'd die for you even sell my soul to the devil". Right on Michael. You knew it all and had enough class to say it. Yes, Sony wants the fans to listen so they can see if its really him. His fans are so desparate and miss him so much that many will purchase it. Sony you are a bunch of money hungry corporate and heartless jerks.
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Post by divastyle on Nov 9, 2010 20:32:13 GMT -5
I am OUTRAGED!!!! Hasn't poor Michael suffered enough while he was here on earth and now these assclowns (excuse my French)are trying to tarnish his legacy??!!
I feel TERRIBLE for pre-ordering, I just missed him sooo much and wanted to hear some new music from him NOT this Jason Milachi person!! I'm really really upset and near tears, I pray that Michael forgives me, I'm so sorry Michael!
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 9, 2010 23:50:14 GMT -5
Okay, apparently there is a new development, and it could be great news! Marty just posted the following at another thread...
The demo version of ‘Breaking News’ streaming this week at mj.com is NOT the final version that will appear on the ‘Michael’ CD. Rest assured MJ’s genuine lead vocals will be on this project and no one elses.
Marty In LA
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WOW, I hope this is true! I'm going to follow up with Marty to see what he knows and as soon as I find out, will post.
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Post by judith51 on Nov 10, 2010 9:01:04 GMT -5
Good not the finished version of the cd! I will not buy it unless it is pure MJ.
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Post by Alicia on Nov 10, 2010 20:15:44 GMT -5
I have listened to the song several times- it's good and it sounds like Michael and it is like a Michael song. I have listened to most all of Michael's music from all through his life, both released and unreleased demos. Michael made all kinds of songs. All kinds of styles. Different vocal styles and demeanors for different songs
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Post by Alicia on Nov 10, 2010 20:33:56 GMT -5
Where is it reported that the kids say it isn't Michael singing? I have only seen that said on gossip and fan sites. I don't think that has been confirmed at all. Dang, it sounds like Mike to me. What are some of y'all hearing? or not?
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Post by judith51 on Nov 11, 2010 10:25:18 GMT -5
Alicia you are right most gossip is bs. However, I also thought it was Michael's voice at first and was almost convinced. It certainly is his style, but the voice isn't falsetto at all. After, listening several times something seemed really off. Another voice has been dubbed into the music. I will never agree with anyone else and stand firm in my convictions about many things. This time I feel this isn't his voice but only audible in the background.
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Post by divastyle on Nov 11, 2010 10:29:14 GMT -5
Alicia, no way is that Michael, even his trademark hehehe sounds off! Sony should be ashamed of themselves for trying to put 1 over on the fans.
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Post by Alicia on Nov 11, 2010 10:38:53 GMT -5
I hear Michael's voice on the record. There is obviously some additions made to the bare bones demo or outline that Michael made of a song which had not been brought to completion, but which has now, after Michael's death, been brought to completion by others. There are additions to the song so yes, Michael did not finish up this song. Producers and other musicians, and even some extra voices, were added things to fill out the song. But, Michael's voice is audible on the song.
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Post by Alicia on Nov 11, 2010 10:43:36 GMT -5
Divastyle, I disagree that it is not Michael's voice on the record. The hehee and other things have been added, sampled, or tweaked to fill out the bare bones of Michael's song, and I think this is what is making people angry and sceptical. I think the whole thing is really sad because it is taking away from what should be a great album, and making a lot of people say they will not buy it. But that's life.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 11, 2010 12:51:18 GMT -5
Alicia, you raise good points. So do Judith and Dawn. It's obvious that we will not all agree. Thanks for staying respectful with your discussion.
Do we have a right to be mad at Sony for giving us this confusing song? YES! They have certainly stirred up controversy, which is probably what they wanted... a huge buzz about the whole album. But maybe not the kind of favorable buzz they wanted! My opinion is, we will just have to wait for a word from Sony on this, and I know it's coming! Let's have faith that everything will turn out all right. For more info on that, check out my post under Messages From Michael.
Mal
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Post by divastyle on Nov 11, 2010 13:18:22 GMT -5
Of course, we will not all agree but we will be respectful towards each other. I just recently read a link on FB where Sony has admitted that the song is only about 20% Michael's vocals. The rest is NOT Jason Malachi as many thought, but some guy named James Porte. This just gets more interesting by the day!
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Post by Alicia on Nov 11, 2010 13:41:26 GMT -5
yes I had heard that this guy James had been there at the time that Michael was working on the songs with the Cascio brothers in NJ. Michael had been friends with the Cascio family for years and they are quiet people and seemed never to have sold Michael out in any way. The Cascios were friends, went on tours with Mike, and one of the brothers worked as as assistant to Mike as well. Yes, I agree it is getting more interesting every day for sure.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 11, 2010 13:43:07 GMT -5
I just recently read a link on FB where Sony has admitted that the song is only about 20% Michael's vocals. The rest is NOT Jason Malachi as many thought, but some guy named James Porte. This just gets more interesting by the day! Thanks for this info, Dawn! This could be great news! The name James Porte does sound familiar, just not sure from where. I have a good feeling that Sony will re-work the Cascio tracks... if they haven't done so already. They have to! Or else they will be in for bad press from fans and the media. Dawn, please share the FB link if you can!
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Post by divastyle on Nov 11, 2010 15:10:46 GMT -5
I'll see if I can find it MAL!
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 11, 2010 17:06:35 GMT -5
LOL Alicia, there is no use arguing your point. Referring to the member Update I sent today, the TMZ poll said that fans were split 50/50 on Breaking News! We can't all be right. I found an official statement from the MJ estate, saying it really is MJ singing... please note this is NOT from the Jackson family even though the title says that. www.rwdmag.com/2010/11/jackson-family-official-statement-confirms-that-breaking-news-is-a-michael-jackson-song/If this is true, then why doesn't it sound like MJ? Because James Porte sang the lead vocals, that's why. Including some of the background vocals. But why would he do that when it's supposed to be an MJ song, included on MJ's album? I think this is what fans are most upset about. Please note I just posted brand new song snippets under Favorite Michael Videos. Tell me that's not MJ
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Post by Alicia on Nov 11, 2010 17:20:33 GMT -5
I listened to the clips and it's Mike and Breaking News also sounds like Mike to me. Totally. James Porte did not sing the lead vocals, though it is said that he did sing on the tracks on backup vocals, as he has before while Mike was alive.
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Post by MaryAnn Layton on Nov 11, 2010 17:34:26 GMT -5
Why do you seem to feel there is no use arguing my point? You seem to feel quite free to argue yours. yeah i listened to the clips and yeah it's Mike and yeah Breaking News also sounds like Mike. Totally. James Porte did not sing the lead vocals, though it is said that he did sing on the tracks. And just because a Jackson says something does not make it true. I only said that Alicia, because in your last post, you said you were done with arguing. You have the right of course, to express your opinions here, always! My opinion is that I doubt the Jacksons are wrong about this. We should be mad at Sony, for releasing such a song causing so much confusion among the fans. Rather than getting mad at each other. But enough from me
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Post by Alicia on Nov 11, 2010 17:39:44 GMT -5
The producers and musicians who have worked with Michael for years also vouch that is is him on the track and they did audio waveform analysis of the tracks as well to compare then with other MJ voice tracks; they were the same. . Interesting, though, none of his brothers have come out to say it isn't him ...... hmmmmmm......... they probably should know LOL
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Post by Alicia on Nov 11, 2010 17:48:57 GMT -5
I think Sony did their homework . I'm not mad at Sony about this one. And I like the new song, so I am glad that they released it. But other people don't like it so well or hate it or think it just ok. That's life.
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